the excitement of technologies; resisting the excitement
what is missing with the rebellion
thinking about rigor, critical thinking, developing a visual vocabulary
relying on “ease”
we might like the struggle
how do we rebel against excitement to find experimentation?
beyond students, artists also have this resistance
moving away from working with the screen
doesn’t have to be working electronically
working with ipads and laptops, yes, but it’s also about whatever you’re doing with the screen, you are working in other spaces
it’s not about the technology,
the experimental is about quality of ideas, interaction, process
technology is in multiple locations
moving to socially engaged space can be experimental
learn by doing every minute
technologies of painting, the tubes of paint allowing for landscape painting
it’s what it adds to art that is the important question
tech enables, we’re the drivers, hopefully
trying to define words for what experimental might be about
developing language to empower someone to be experimental
apologia for fine arts from Paul, foreclosed by time constraints
if we’re thinking about experimentation it’s also about play, play with purpose
purpose seeks results, not necessarily commercial results, but for the medium itself
experimentation can involve ideas, understanding, reflection, historical reflection
changes and revolution for which we lack language
artists are the best people, the supposed lack of boundaries
to be the counterbalance to the utilitarian neoliberal purposes
biology as a test case
new ontologies and understandings
artists being the ones to develop a new language that is more reflective, with different purpose.
problem finding vs problem solving
what we have learnt, is that there are endless possibilities, the inability to define art matters.
some art but not all art has become iterative of itself, mimicking itself (artists looking at themselves)
Is this true?
teaching sci students sci and art students art: when students take a science course they imagine the experimentation in the lab. In an art course, getting students to experiment is harder; they have “mastered a technique” and have commercial outcome desires
chip away at their baggage? expectations?
not defining an essence of something
dematerialization in art
70s, 80s, Lippard, removing the idea of the fetishized object
what good vibes here.
experimental art in general or in relation to technology?
as an art historian, in a modern or contemporary art concept, if art isn’t experimental, it isn’t art
does all art think it’s experimental?
institutional art vs art art
no privileged medium
you could be experimental with oil painting
at what point do you move from problem finding to problem solving, and does that moment mean entering process rather than experimentation?
art does something new and challenges things
Chipping away needs to be done by getting rid of final exhibitions
consequence of practice based practice being put into monumental artworks
the stuff of the studio
teaching to produce something that can be shown
students of cage; they struggled after learning from how to do something new
the vast opening leaves nothing left to do
frustration at vast openings
as a scientists i do experiments all the time
looking to experimental medicine and experimental art, interchangeability
an experiment is something that can fail
sometimes failure is the result
failure can be good in both science and art
amazing and good are different words
you can do experimental art not based on technology
chipping away happens crossing between disciplines
what is art, what does it mean to the scientist/biologist?
maybe the chipping away happens in crossing the disciplines
vocabulary from art epistemology
missing the vocabulary of politics
australian art, is it product oriented, europe doing philosophy, more freedom?
there is always a philosopher standing behind you, squeezing you
the core aspect is freedom to be experimental
making money means everyone stops and tries to find their line of aesthetics
different connotations of experimental
experimental tends toward new media
experimental never came up until extra long artist residency
expectations of huge outcome
instead, changing mindset, excorcism,
wow that was a lot of stuff
we’ll try our best
we’ll circulate some things to read, comment on and edit
we look forward to outcomes of infinite nothingness and practicality
take out taking?
half of it?
operating in the area of “I don’t know”
tough, i already wrote it down, paul
problem finding is an area of not defining too soon
let’s all quietly imagine a glass of wine
space around education and art
problem finding : why there needs to be art in stem space
going into situations with “build a bridge” thoughts
we’ll distribute some links
ooh the wiki
you could also come find me outside the room and i’ll type it in, or you can.
we’ll link to the interview from Paul too
we work at UNSW
Never stand still
last desperate thoughts
political about experimentation
we need to be more radical
no prescriptive pedagogy
generational differences re rebellion
what are we rebelling against?
who are the avant garde?
scientists, geoengineers have avant garde ideas
the trouble with the arts re invisibility until it’s visible
hell bent on seeing things that resemble art
opening ourselves up to experimentation